Friday, May 26, 2006

This Made Me Laugh

I have a message for all the hackers/gilbuyers/gilsellers that file complaints or create pathetic online petitions.

I think this picture quite aptly sums up how I feel about the morons who whine AFTER they get banned.

Maybe you should have thought about that BEFORE you cheated.

Note: I wish I could take credit for this picture, but sadly my "shopping" skills are not what they should be.


At 4:30 AM, Blogger Bellemithra said...

HAHA That is so funny!!!

At 5:51 AM, Blogger Kage said...

Old joke, but priceless nonetheless.

At 6:12 AM, Blogger Alex 'BeardedFerret' Morris said...

Posted recently by Frankie at if I'm not mistaken. Not having encountered cheaters in FFXI I can't really compare, but the guys are assholes in Halo 2. Blabbering, moronic, spineless, illiterate, racist, elitist asshole dickheads. Thank heavens for the Banhammer.

At 8:22 AM, Blogger Siegtaru said...

Wow that's just awesome. xD Gogo

At 8:51 AM, Blogger Dramanue of Fenrir said...

You're not going to let that "shopping" thing down, are you? ^_^
But if it's any consolation, umm... I like kitty cats.

At 2:14 PM, Blogger Auryn said...

It's the Wart Hog!!!!

At 2:39 PM, Blogger WindexHamster said...

I was banned for using a windower, but I wasn't a cheater.

I was a serious, dedicated, and moderately elite (given my levels, at least) player, and it was all wasted because TOS doesn't distinguish between Mr. Argus and Azaril's Windower.

There's a massive difference, and it needs to be made clear to S/E and the GM staff.

At 3:20 PM, Blogger Fendi said...

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At 3:22 PM, Blogger Bugbby said...

lol@Windex. Windower is a third party program. And against the ToS. Good job there. Anyway.

Did you hear about the guy in Japan that got arrested for botting in Lineage 2? He was using some program to kill players and steal their items, then sold them on the internet for real life money. They tracked down his account and IP and arrested him irl. Get this, he was a Chinese foreign exchange student living in Japan. I laugh.

At 3:22 PM, Blogger Fendi said...

"I was banned for using a windower, but I wasn't a cheater."

Dude, you seriously came to the wrong blog to complain/defend yourself. You are lucky you weren't fed to a dragon, beaten by players, or humiliated before you were banned.

My question to you is "Your Windower. . .it's an external program which interfaces with FFXI, right?" If the answer to this is yes, you deserved your ban anyways. Learn to play just like everyone else does.

At 3:31 PM, Blogger Lankist said...

To be perfectly honest, I think it looks more like a puma...

At 3:58 PM, Blogger Chronofantasy said...

I think some people just use Windower to go minimize the game and get back in the game, so they can do stuff online and such as well. I really don't see how that is cheating unless you use the other cheating tools built in them.

After all though, Windower is a third party program that doesn't belong to FFXI and is classified as illegal, and they'll just assume you're using the cheats built into it if they see you have it.

At 6:38 PM, Blogger SlayerOfBigFoot said...

I use a windower. Ill stop as soon as FFXI lets me minimize. Get with the times, SE, i mean even guild wars has a minimize function >.>

At 9:30 PM, Blogger HTL2001 said...

if you got banned for using a windower you must have been saying you used one in public chat or something else, it shouldnt be detectable otherwise

At 3:32 AM, Blogger WindexHamster said...

Windowing isn't cheating, and nothing you can say about it will ever make it so.

It's a simple FACT that the VAST majority of high level players on PCs in FFXI are using windowers at all time.

Few of them will admit this in-game, though, as they'll end up like me.

Either way, I admit I windowed, and that's that. Quality of life is actually increasing since I stopped playing FFXI every waking moment of my life.

I don't miss it. Nor do I care if you condemn me for using a program that essentially lets me do what every PS2 FFXI gamer w/ a nearby PC can do w/o "cheating" or feeling bad for doing.

Self-righteous whores.

At 3:46 AM, Blogger Kittypenguin said...

ToS doesn't say no cheat. It says no "3rd party program"

Mr. Argus is a 3rd party program.
windower is a 3rd party program.

you can argue all you want that you didn't cheat. It doesn't matter. All that matter is you use 3rd party program.

sucks for you. Many of us use it too. But what else can we say? Oh I feel so sorry for your account yadayada?

At 3:54 AM, Blogger Sebb said...

I don't have the windower thingy majizz your all talking about as I am on 360. Though, I think that it should be allowed. All that its doing is letting you do other things at once, which I can do as I am on a router network, I think a review of the ToS is required.

At 4:49 AM, Blogger notkesirahonest said...

You know what winds me up? All the people that whine about not being able to use windowers. FFS Stop complaining and find out WHY it's not allowed. yeah you might not be using it for anything other than minimizing the programe to check things online but that DOESN'T mean that's all that its used for.

I've seen and had to deal with crap like this first hand. It's easier to ban the programe than to try and work out who is using it in order to use scripts, bots triggers, hacks and other cheats from those who are using it just to innocently check out a website.

You want to know what a game is like when you allow shit liek this? Take a look at Diabolos II online. Yes, that's an extreme case but its how gaming ends up when you allow 'just this one programe' Bots actually outnumber players there. If someone isn't using some kind of hack then they are deemed wierd...

yes it's against tos but who gives a shit? Everyone does it and there are so many it's impossible to police now.

Seriously, if you can't play without resorting to cheating or using illegal software then wtf are you doing there anyway? print off the crap you want before or logout. It's not a huge deal.

Gods it pisses me off nearly as much as people who don't know how to use then and than correctly.

Nice pic btw.

At 5:10 AM, Blogger Dantaro said...

" To be perfectly honest, I think it looks more like a puma..."

lmao Lankist, nice. Oh RvB, how we love you...though not as much as [GM]Dave

At 8:33 AM, Blogger loque said...

Hey, WindexHamster (read: idiot)

maybe you should read the disclaimer at the bottom of Azaril's website:
This site is in no way affiliated or associated with SquareEnix or Final Fantasy XI. All trademarks are copyright of their respective owners. Any information or programs provided on this site are purely for educational purposes only. Any user of the aforementioned programs and information accepts sole liability for the actions and consequences resulting from use. Simply put, if you get banned from playing online from using anything on this site, it's your fault, not mine.
Copyright William Archbell, 2004.

At 10:46 AM, Blogger podink said...

Good stuff, good stuff.

As for those that are complaining about using the windower; All sins are the same in God's eyes. And as we all know from Dave's teachings, GMs are God. They're the law, they're your parents, they're "Big Brother." They're the bouncer at the bar = with a giant stick with the words "You gonna die!" printed on the side (yes, this is a true person I have least, I met his stick...)

You get banned, you did something wrong.

At 11:21 AM, Blogger Trigger said...

Ok, I dont play FFXI but with full screen games cant you just press alt+tab or ctrl+esc to minimize?

does this not work in FFXI?

At 12:13 PM, Blogger Sebb said...

Perhaps SE should allow u to window, then anyone using the windower will be using the program for illegal uses as they have no real need to use it.

Just a poorly put together thought.

At 2:09 PM, Blogger Auryn said...

Should SE change the TOS to allow using a windower? No. Should SE implement a way of being able to minimize the game without logging out to POL? Yes.

Maybe they look at it this way. The players should be able to figure out the game on their own, not going to various sites to get information that other people have gathered.

That's not how I feel about it, but that might be what SE is thinking. I don't personally use a windower because I have 2 computers networked, and I look up info on one and use the other to play. But being able to play in a window would allow me to not get kicked out of the game by my anti-virus software, or by my friends who don't see my away messages on any of the messenger programs.

Just my two cents...

"It's a wart hog!"

At 3:10 PM, Blogger WindexHamster said...

Hey Loque (read: pedophile),

I never blamed Azaril, and I honestly don't miss the game now that I've been out for a while. It's not like I'm sitting here crying over my banning.

Just making a point: Minimization of the game, whether through first or third party means should be allowed, and isn't nearly as harmful as one would figure.

Do you really think that you need to minimize FFXI to hack it, making the windower a threat? C'mon...there've gotta be countless cheats that you can activate with an in-game, un-windowed script or console command.

Minimization isn't a problem. Those that think it is are ignorant and outnumbered.

Yes, I broke the TOS, but NO, I don't believe I was wrong. There are things that are legal in America, but not necessarily moral, and therefore, doing them isn't much better than doing something minor yet illegal, and vice versa.

The letter of the law isn't always perfect.

At 4:06 PM, Blogger Nazzy said...

Windexhamster, you fail at life.

At 4:51 PM, Blogger loque said...

I'd have to agree w/ nazzy. But you did hurt my feelings when you called me a pedophile. I just dont think i can go on w/ life. I may use windower myself, and that would have been guilt enough. But now that someone anonymous has insulted me, i'll just go slit my wrists and take a bath.

I should have realized that the first time you said, Windowing isn't cheating, and nothing you can say about it will ever make it so. What was i thinking to doubt your absolute knowledge, oh god of all things w/ ToS. Know what, if i were you, i'd expand my knowledge of companies policies that you did not found and use your skills to your advantage. Say, if you have a cell phone contract, you should just call them up and say, "Breaking my contract with you won't cost me any early termination fees, and nothing you can say about it will ever make it so." Of course, how could they back down from your omniscient logic.

At 6:52 PM, Blogger Lankist said...

Really, has anyone saying "Windowers aren't cheating" even read the ToS? It says no third party programs, like no FRAPS, no windowers, no macro programs, NOTHING.

I mea God, can you be more whiney?

At 8:57 PM, Blogger Trigger said...


I want free gil and a better character cause I deserver it.

At 3:01 AM, Blogger WindexHamster said...


There's a clear difference between cheating and breaking TOS.

They're not the same thing, and as I said before, just because something is against TOS does not make it a "cheat."

The Windower is one of these things. Don't think that all of you agreeing with me will make me wrong, or that all of you taking turns insulting me will make me back down.

And Loque, I suggest you stop listening to Armor for Sleep if you're considering bathtub suicide, you fucking emo cunt.

At 7:16 AM, Blogger WhiteInferno said...

Woah, woah, calm down. Still, they are right. He banned a guy for running FRAPS. Honestly, it sucks, so he shoulda been banned for stupidity in the first place, but on topic now. Listen, why do you need a windower in the first place? I mean, is it so important to multitask? Also, anything breaking the ToS is CONSIDERED CHEATING BY THE ADMINS. It doesn't matter what the heck it does, if you run a third party application on something that says NO RUNNING OF THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS, and get banned, it's a perfectly viable ban. Thank god I play mostly FPS where the admins don't care about that as there are about 5000+ servers... still, need to check XI out.

Woah, that was a long-ass post.

At 7:28 AM, Blogger loque said...

Man, more name calling and obscenities .... i just can't win against you, Windex.

At 7:48 AM, Blogger Nazzy said...

"There's a clear difference between cheating and breaking TOS."

Do you even know what ToS stands for?

Terms of Service ... "The conditions we place on our agreement to provide you with this service."

Cheating: any action that provides you with an unfair advantage. Sound like windower to you?

Also, you might wanna look up sarcasm ... that stuff will change your life :P

At 8:00 AM, Blogger Jed said...

*sigh* Window mode is in most cases consided cheating because it is either a gorm of emulation or it edits memory vaules to obtain window mode or it edits the program which means you may have access to the source code illegally.
Case 1 and 3 both require inside knowledge of the code of somekind, which we all know(unless your an idiot) is 99.9999999% of the time stolen either through hacking, a inside party or decompliers. How ever you want to do it, end result is you a dick with stolen code.
Case 2 uses memory edits(I.e. forces your ram to hold a certain value at a certain address) which could very easily be exploited once you have the source of the program or a decomplier handy(Handy things decompilers).
Oh and heres a shock too: Not everyone can afford a super computer! HOLY SHIT! No, that right, we can't all have kick ass top of the line gaming beasts. And heres another suprise: Game devlopers know this! HOLY SHIT X 2! Yah, they really do try and make everyone happy, hence making it full screen and less resource hungry.
For those of you who won't be fed to the complaints manager: ... how do live with people like this? "omg no window mode! me can't look at porn while playen! woe is me for i cant use ALT FUCKING + TAB! i'm so up set i need to go beg for gil! GIL PL0X! plz! me sad!", etc, etc.
I mean really, do you think programers have the time to sit down and make you happy by rewriting code that took them months, maybe years of 1 hour of sleep in the office days to complete? If you said yes, your a retard. Wait, no - don't think even a retard would be that dumb.
So what, you don't agree with me? Don't like being called a retard when you are? What are you going to do? Fight me over the internet?

At 9:16 AM, Blogger WhiteInferno said...

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At 9:19 AM, Blogger WhiteInferno said...

Yeah people, use Alt+Tab. Also, nazzy,

Cheating: any action that provides you with an unfair advantage. Sound like windower to you?

That definition is technically incorrect. My definition:

Cheating: any action that breaks the rules of the game (or the ToS)

This is the definiton almost EVERYONE goes by, and sony uses that defintion too. So windex, your "Cheating and breaking the ToS are diffrent" speech is moot, void, and crap.

At 9:29 AM, Blogger Feba said...

Yeah, ALT+TAB and disconnect yourself.

Tell your PT you DCd because you had to change winamp playlists. They'll understand.

At 9:39 AM, Blogger Dantaro said...

Cheating : To violate rules deliberately, as in a game

In this case, the ToS would be the rules, would it not? So then anything violating the ToS would be cheating... mmmmm, Logic, delicious

At 9:48 AM, Blogger Fircefairy said...

What in the HELL is Fraps,Windowers,and Mr.Argus? Do you all know things you are keeping from me? *eyes the room in a suspicious manner*~feels left out~

At 9:52 AM, Blogger WhiteInferno said...

I don't play XI, so I don't know what happens. Alright, ignore the Alt+Tab.

Still, follow the ToS

@Fircefairy: Way to get banned in FFXI by Dave.

At 11:55 AM, Blogger podink said...

Heh, it's funny to read you guys and your jibber-jabber.

"Windower's not cheating!"
"Yes it is!"

You all make me giggle.

Problem I'm seeing in this debate (read: gathering of retardation) is that no one's willing to listen. "I am right and you are wrong! God has given me a brain and it is infalable in it's decisions and opinions!" Come on, people. Give it a rest.

Clearly you're all wrong. If every one of you is right, then everyone is a liar. Go play your games, people. Drink your Mountains Dews, eat some more Doritos, Tell your parents, "Just one more level then I'll be right up for dinner! kthxbai." Just stop squabbling with your tiny, tiny brains.

At 2:08 PM, Blogger antigmdave said...

i got banned for using firefox

apparently its a third party program =(

At 2:44 PM, Blogger holydust said...

SE hosted a Fan Video contest at the Festival.

The Video competition REQUIRED the use of FRAPS or some other 3rd party means of video capture for PC users.

Most videos used it. SE said nothing.

Irony? Nope.

Any intelligent GM should tell you (as one has told me) that FRAPS is an exception to the rule, as it does not allow the player to window or gain an advantage over other players in any way. As a matter of fact, it actually causes a slight disadvantage (lag) for less top-of-the-line machines.

In other news, SE needs to either suck up their fears of making hacking easier through a minimize function (hackers got it covered, so they may as well make it available -- newblets who couldn't figure out how to window on their own before aren't exactly SE's worst nightmare) or they need to remove the "don't forget it's a beautiful life" message from the #$@!-ing start screen. Four hours on seek and my options are: do I want to stare at the wall, my feet, or just log out?

It's no #@!%#ing wonder people cheat.

At 3:32 PM, Blogger Auryn said...

How exactly does being able to minimize the window or alt+tab out give someone an unfair advantage? Couldn't the same thing be said for the person that plays on the PS2 and uses their computer to dig up information?

As for the comment about designing the game so that it doesn't use as many system resources for the less than top of the line computers; Why not have the ability to be able to run in full screen or windowed mode. Give the players a choice in the matter?

At 5:58 AM, Blogger Fircefairy said...

OMFG!!! I was just posting on my Home website and a Gil Seller was ADVERTISING there!He got banned(of course)It just made me shake my head at how far they go!Ulli is now camped extensively on TiTan..which means no stones for Byako or Kirin...which means they can monopolise Kirin and the Osode Kote! Damn Gil Seller make me ill!


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