Monday, December 07, 2009

Well... Duh

You may or may not have heard that Microsoft has decided to ban a whole bunch of people for abusing an exploit in Call of Duty 6: Modern Warfare 2: Really Long Name.

Basically, if you equip a missile launcher and then something something, when you get killed, your body explodes taking out everyone in a huge blast radius.


This round of bannings has come under criticism (read: internet forum bitching) as players say they are being unfairly punished, that they were simply taking advantage of a glitch in the game. This is not a hack or a mod or anything, but is instead simply using a broken game mechanic.

Their argument is:

a) very logical

b) completely and utterly retarded

There is no way anyone playing the game could have thought this was an intended game mechanic and that using it would be in any way fair.

You explode when you get shot killing everyone within a city block of you.

You really thought that shit was normal?

You can posture all you want about how it's perfect legal to use and/or abuse an exploit you find in a game. By all means, feel free.

Doesn't matter.

See, the fact of the matter is, the whole argument is moot. No matter what their argument is, it is still wrong.

When you sign up to use Xbox Live, you basically sign over full ownership of your little virtual soul.

Or your actual soul. I haven't read the full agreement.

Basically, to play on their servers, you sign a contract stating that they can kick your ass off their servers any time they see fit.

There is no whiny bitching clause.

You exploit, you get banned.

It's that simple.

And, moreover, you freaking deserve to get banned. You went into a game fully intended to f&%@ over everyone you're playing with.

I don't care if the glitch was their fault. Using it was yours.

Do you know a bank can leave all of their money on the counter? Hell, they can leave it on the floor in a big pile if they want.

Still doesn't mean it's okay to take some.

That's stealing.

Yeah, yeah. They forgot to lock it up in the big vault and it was right there for you to take.

Still your fault.

If you make the active decision to use exploits like that, then you have to accept the consequences of your actions.

Be happy. If it was me, I'd mail an armed Javelin missile to your house.

We'll see how freaking funny it is then.


At 9:35 PM, Blogger Tidusjnr said...

well said Dave, well said.

The javelin glitch is probably the most annoying thing about Modern warfare 2 which is what I consider to be a very good game.

Damn the people who glitch to hell and hope they never get out... a hell full of Javelins and Semtex grenades.

At 10:22 PM, Blogger Warewulf said...

The unlimited care package glitch is even more annoying. But what really irks me is the fact that Robert Bowling made a twitter post about it, making it public knowledge. Now everyone's doing this. He's the one that should be banned from life.

Anyone who knowingly abuses this glitch should be shot, I agree, though a lot of people (myself included, though I'm on PS3) only use the glitches if they're used against me, so as to not get horribly raped as a bi-product. I don't think it's fair for those people to be banned, though I understand the justification.

I just hope it gets fixed before it gets even more out of hand; I can't go three games without encountering either of these glitches.

At 10:28 PM, Blogger Army said...

"Be happy. If it was me, I'd mail an armed Javelin missile to your house."


At 11:52 PM, Blogger i love me :D said...

Lol what the hell is wrong with everyone?
If there's a glitch, of course you have to exploit it. Just because you can (until you get banned that is).
Is it wrong? Of course. But so what? At least they're enjoying the game (unlike you whiny little bitches). That feeling you get when you know you're screwing someone over or pissing them off is the best in the world, as Dave probably knows.

At 12:02 AM, Blogger Beltayn said...

Man, it's quite incredible how much I despise people who start a comment off with 'LOL'.

On topic. Awesome. Friggin Awesome. I'm so sick of companies pandering to the whiny little bitches crying 'unfair' after knowingly being douchebags.

People need to understand the concept of personal accountability again. In today's society it's always somebody else's fault. I'm really sick of that.

This is awesome. It's simple. Did you break the rule? Great, cheers.

The general quality of the community will probably increase significantly after this.

At 1:59 AM, Blogger Salt said...

I don't play this game - I suck at FPSes.

Exploiting game glitches in a multilayer game should be a bannable offence.

But I wondered if MS gave a first warning before banning, it's kind of a bitch if you got banned for breaking a rule you didn't know about.

At 5:48 AM, Blogger Keristrazja said...

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At 5:49 AM, Blogger Keristrazja said...


"it's kind of a bitch if you got banned for breaking a rule you didn't know about."

It doesn't have to be explicitly stated. Knowingly using a broken game mechanic to create an unfair advantage/punishing consequence in-game should be a bannable offense, and anyone that does it has no one to blame but yourself.

Look at it this way: If you picked up FFXI tomorrow, and discovered that by a certain sequence of keypresses, you could dupe you gold supply, does there need to be an explicit rule stating that's a no-no?

No, it's a broken game mechanic, and you would likely get permabanned if you used it to artificially create and advantage in-game.

(Sorry about the double, Google has this bad habit of eating or doubling my comments.)

At 9:04 AM, Blogger chris said...

The real trouble would be if you had discovered said glitch, reported, it and got banned for discovering it. O_o.

At 9:19 AM, Blogger Music-chan said...

I think it depends on how the glitch is used. If you're the very first person to discover a glitch (though an extremely unlikely but not impossible combination of events), then report that you found something weird, I don't think they'll ban you. Unfortunatly, most people go "oh man, look at this weird glitch I found! You should totally try it!" and pass the news on to their friends and soon a ton of people are glitching all they want. They know it's 'weird' but people just stop using common sense when it comes to those sorts of things.

If it seems too good to be true, IT IS. DON'T DO IT.

At 12:33 PM, Blogger Blueyez said...

Wooooowwww... I'm having massive flashbacks to FFXI Jan 09.
Some people never learn huh.

At 1:18 PM, Blogger Leut said...

Sadly, for thsoe of us who use PS3, we have to live with it until a patch comes our way.

At 1:53 PM, Blogger Sword said...

I recall a similar incident in FFXI last febuary with Salvage dupes. It's their fault for abusing a game mechanic. It's often stated in most if not all online ToS's (you know that thing you never read when you register for something) that any came glitch/bug should be immediately reported and players should stop any useage of said in-game exploits. Likewise, the owners of said service reserves the right to ban/suspend you for breaking the ToS no questions asked.

In the end that's exactally what happened.

At 3:38 PM, Blogger Jesse said...

Well I think it's legit your fighting terriorest and terriorest strap bombs to them self and do suiide runs so why not it is modernwarfair

At 3:38 PM, Blogger Jesse said...

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At 7:50 PM, Blogger Katherine said...

Do I sense a hint of bitterness there [GM]Dave? It's ok to admit that you got blowed up, we won't think any less of you. Exploiters piss me off too, in all fields both virtual and outside the gaming world.

At 10:42 PM, Blogger Jesse said...

I also wanted to add if you don't like it learn it use it it's pretty funny and if everyone did it it would get old fast so stop crying about it most of are adults... Also if you feel you have bad luck and get cause if we all did it they can't band all of us they would lose profet that's what everyone should have done back in Jan feb 09 in ffxi... Seriously how often does that game have new players? Never it's just people relvling and relvling then capping all the job making a new char rinse and repeat

At 12:40 PM, Blogger Leut said...


U B A retard.

At 1:22 PM, Blogger Jakk Frost said...

@Jesse: Please, oh please tell me that your tongue was firmly in cheek, and/or that you're like Ohforf from "The Noob" comic and you're roleplaying a retard.

Otherwise, I'm cringing at the thought that you type, let alone think (and I use the term loosely), like that, and may one day reproduce...

At 4:20 PM, Blogger GamerRavien said...

Talking about fair or unfair bannings. Check out this story of a fail ban that I think even you will have words for Dave. This is from the owner of a webcomic called Least I Could Do.

My mood is less than pleased right now, and I’m going to tell you why.

To start things off, Lar and I will NOT be attending DragonCon in Atlanta this coming summer. In order to understand that, we must go back to a time and place…say, around September of this year.

This was our second year in Atlanta, and it was one of the shows we were most looking forward to. There’s just something about the atmosphere of this show that’s so casual, that you really get a chance to hang out with a great deal of wonderful people.

As last year was so successful for us, we paid for a larger booth this year and intended to do some fun & unusual things with the space. Upon getting to the show, however, someone had setup in our space. Confused, we asked the hall attendants what was going on, and were rudely informed that our booth had been moved.

When I inquired as to where, I was shown the furthest and poorly lit section of the room, with a giant pillar intersecting the middle of the booth. I then proceeded to tell the attendants that this was unacceptable, not only because of the move but because of the new location.

Despite the fact that I had announced where we were setup weeks leading up to the show, I would’ve been fine if we were moved to a location similar to the one we lost. But this was unacceptable.

The attendants, once again, were rude and told our crew that we could take the new spot or we could go home. This wasn’t their problem. Still calm and polite, I asked if there was someone else we could speak to, because we did not deserve to be spoken to like that.

A couple hours later, we sat on the carpet waiting, a minor functionary came downstairs and repeated what the attendants had told us. Again, I asked if there was anyone else I could talk to.

An hour later, one of the board members of the show came down to talk with us.

He apologized for the situation, note that this was the first apology we had received thus far, and inquired what could to be done to make things right. In the end, he generously offered to repay us for the booth, but still allow us to use. It was a good solution, we shook hands and all was well.

At the end of the show, I again thanked him for taking care of the matter, and we signed up for the next show gladly.

Usually how this works, is at the end of a show, you sign for the next one, and a few weeks later you receive an invoice. A month passed, and we had yet to receive a single thing.

Wanting to make sure everything was fine, Randy began calling them. For 6 weeks Randy called, at least 3 times per week leaving messages for everyone. No one called us back.

Finally, we reached someone, and were told that we were not invited back to DragonCon because of the incident. I was and still am shocked.

We are not allowed to exhibit because their staff was verbally abusive towards us, including profanity. We are not allowed because they moved our location without any warning or apology. We are not allowed because DragonCon shoved us in the dark corner of the show.

Let me be clear. Never did I, or any of my staff, raise their voice or even mutter a ‘shite’ under their breath. That’s not how we behave.

I don’t understand this decision, and no one was inclined to explain it to me, only referring to the ‘incident’.

I am saddened by this, but more so that we won’t be able to hang out with the folks who came out to Atlanta to see us. I felt you were owed an explanation, and there it is. We hope to be able to find a show nearby that we can attend.

As for DragonCon, I will do my best to ensure that this story gets out, so others don’t share our fate.

At 4:25 PM, Blogger GamerRavien said...


You fail at life.

Also, congrats, you just compared yourself and other games to suicide bombers. Must make your parents proud knowing they have a future little terrorist to call their own. You know, right up until you blow them up with you when you've decided its no longer fun to be a terrorist in the game and your retarded logic begs you to see what it must be like for real.

At 10:56 AM, Blogger Jesse said...

Ignorance is bliss I love all you Americans <3

At 5:10 PM, Blogger Dragon Romer said...

Personally, I am not a console gamer, I have never and will never own a console, and I don't care about console games. HOWEVER, this ban does seem mighty ridiculous to me, but I have only read what Dave says about it.

To me it seems like banning someone's entire steam account for bunny hopping on a counter-strike server. Permanently. That is ridiculous.

I am so glad I am not a console gamer =)

At 6:10 PM, Blogger Hexx said...

LOL this reminds me of the exploit used by Salvage groups earlier this year that got a ton of them banned for duping items. Ahh good times, good times.

At 6:35 PM, Blogger Mil'bereth said...

I don't see what the problem is...warfare is all about exploiting weaknesses and doing shit like this. I mean it happens to people in Iraq EVERY FUC**NG day. Didn't you know..that's what modern warfare is.

There are a lot of people who boycotted this game anyways, mainly because of the lack of private servers and something about a stage where you run through a Russian Airport with a bunch of actual terrorists killing every last man woman and child.

You can see it here.

And before you ask what the difference between this and GTA is. The entire GTA series is about being a criminal. You choose to play a game where you're a criminal and its your choice to harm civilians or not. this game...its your mission to kill civilians for the sake of keeping your cover as an undercover agent... least they put the skip feature in...

At 7:02 AM, Blogger Sander said...

What's funny is, that there's actually people defending the people who got banned. Or people responsible for whoever got banned.

Specially @Warewulf.

Even IF someone posted it online, does that mean that I should immidiatly use this exploit with the risk to get banned?

Hell no.

If someone jumps off a bridge, do you jump after him?

Fuck no, just Darwin do his work. I applaud Robert Bowling in this, all the retards who did it, got banned. (Read: got what they deserved).

It actially made the game a better place.

At 10:01 AM, Blogger Shinji said...

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At 10:04 AM, Blogger Shinji said...



...???... Do you play as bad as your spelling?... It would just be better if you used shorter wording on your sentences then looking at what you're writing and me thinking you're struggling with what you're trying to say..

At 8:46 AM, Blogger Warewulf said...

@Sander: I'm not saying they should do it anyway, I'm not defending people who got banned, just that if someone cares about their kill/death ratio and win/loss (which many do) then it really screws them over big.

Add to that, Robert Bowling made a problem way worse than it needed to be when they could have simply patched it when fewer people knew about it. Glitchers showed up occasionally but it wasn't every other game that you got stuck with it.

They can either use the glitch to level the playing field or get screwed because of an unfair exploit, but hey, it's gone now so it's not important anymore (until the next stupid exploit comes up, at least)


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