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One type of player we seem to get a lot of is the former WoW player. Each and every day, we run across dozens of people who just jumped over.I guess they decided to move up to a big boy game.
Now, I don't expect them to be experts when they start out. It is an entirely new game to them and, though it does share some similarities, the differences are enough to make give anyone a hard time.
I don't expect that much.
One of the things I DO expect, however, is a rough understanding of the game.
This isn't 1952. We've got this whole network of interconnected computers called "the internet". Anyone who wanted to can look up what a game is about.
Just freaking Google it.
Within five minutes, you should have a good general understanding of what FFXI is all about, what it includes, and basically how to play.
Five minutes.
Just five little minutes.
Is that too much to ask?
But no. Instead, we have morons making GM calls asking about how they get a flying mount or which way to Silvermoon City.
I swear someone asked me that.
Do you know where the flying mounts are? No where.
We ride our "mounts" on the ground like freaking normal people. We ride around and have to follow paths and not go over mountains and shit.
Because we're not F&%@IN' lazy, that's why.
If you're moving over to FFXI from WoW, you're goning to have to get used to a lot of new shit really, REALLY fast.
Have you ever gone into Burger King...
Okay, I know you haven't, but let's pretend for the sake of argument.
You're in Burger King. Your turn comes and you step up to the counter and loudly announce that you would like a Big Mac.
Uh oh.
You'll be lucky if you get your ass out of the place before some greasy teenager with a hairnet starts throwing old apple pies at you.
And you'd deserve it.
You don't just log into a new game and act like it's the old one. That shit is just offensive. The difference between these kinds of games is all that makes them unique. You start eating away at it with your stupid "Oh, where do you get a flying mount?" garbage and you're going to hurt someone's feelings.
Actually, I'll end up hurting your feelings. I'll refer to you by the wrong name and then feed you to a dragon.
How do you like it?
Yeah. I thought so.
posted by Goblin Smithy @ 7:47 PM
14 Comments:
Glad to see I'm not the only one who wants to hurt those WoW players. Kudos to them for coming over to play FFXI, but they should definitely learn fast that the game wasn't marketed towards 12 year old kids.
Back in my day, we had to WALK to Jeuno, through the marshes both ways and we LIKED IT. *shakes a stick*
Let's not forget that the game has been noobified somewhat. <3 having Nomad Moogles in Selbina or Mhurahahaha I do miss the old days of oh crap I left something in my Mog House
*sits down next to Heresy on a rocking chair* ... Yep.. i remember back in the days the massacre that unfolded when people zoned Marchelute.. if you were able to make it to a zone without aggroing bats or goblins that killed people and were heading back to their roaming area or even Marchelute himself .. you defenetly had become an expert in survival thru valkrum Dunes.
Ya know, after following your posts for a year or so now, I can't help but notice how most of the FFXI complaints on WoW players, are the same complaints that WoW players had about Everquest players, and the same that Everquest players had about Diablo 2 players. Do you see the cycle yet?
Heh, regarding the people who ask things like "how do you get a flying mount?", well, not everyone is a MMO veteran, chances are FFXI was the 2nd MMO they ever played.
They probably heard it's similar to WoW, just how similar they probably didn't know.
And lets not confuse difficulty with tediousness. It's a game, it's suppose to be fun.
Both FFXI and WoW have a lot of baggage from early MMOs like EQ which were charged by the minute, hence has a lot of "time sinks".
However over the years, Blizzard has been slowly removing those "unfun" aspects of the game. The next expansion they are overhauling many of the starter zones.
PS: flying is nice though, you get some great views :P
And it beats doing roundabouts and navigating hills and paths aggroing crap on the way to where you want to go.
Wow, when I joined FF 1st thing I asked was "how do I jump". Thats a more acceptable question, but, where are the flying mounts.. that 1 is hard to believe.
And I think the same way Edwin did, FF has been horribly nubified, back in the days it was a true challenge getting to 75, and u had to /bow everytime U saw a 75, nowdays getting there is nothing special. U can get 75 in less than a month with lvl sync and C.B, the game (@ least my server) has been overflooded with elitists its as annoying to talk to them as WoW players are.
When I worked at my ice cream parlor a few years ago, some guy asked me for "a Whopper with cheese combo".
I dunno, guys. Some people are just really, really, really not all that bright.
For example me! I went to a Wendy's drive-thru asking for coffee because I was so used to going to the Wendy's that when I went to go to the Tim Hortons next door I just by memory went to the Wendy's drive-thru.
Some people are just so STUPID! ._.
Naked mule runs!
Oh, how I miss them.
I'm sure a certain degree of it has to be trolling. "Oh lol guess wut i just asked a gm how to get a flying mount" sorta thing? Yeah.
Not that I'm doubting Dave in that there are definitely some bloody retards, who can't be troubled in the slightest to learn how to play a damned game before begging for help. But I just can't help but feel that some of it is on purpose.
Also, the lack of flying mounts isn't really something to gloat about. I'm not saying that they should be included. I mean, FF XI is FF XI, and WoW is WoW, but you can't say that making a game less tedious is a bad thing. I can't understand why people would complain about adding Nomad moogles in new areas. It seems streamlined additions like these simply allow you to spend more time playing the game. And when you're paying for your time, why would you want to spend it walking around and getting agroed or going back because you forgot something?
You know...SE could give us Black Chocobos that fly...you know like in other FF games like IV.
8 years now and its still the same birds.
How about a Galka riding a hill lizard?
Or better yet, a rickshaw pulled by taru!
Not so much for XI, but maybe XIV...
Taru rickshaw? That's possibly the best idea for a mount I've heard in a long time. But how about a moogle instead?
Either way, nothing beats good old Guild Wars map travel. I want to go to a town, I just click on the damn place on my map and I'm there.
Having played FFXI as my first MMO, then moving to WoW due to friends migrating there. I like them both. Been trying to make a go at XI again and its not so much a difficulty level as a "This game has been out 5+ years and its just now adding starter zone quests..." XI isn't more difficult just less user friendly. ^.^
I still play WoW but I've also picked up my pace on LOTRO. Fortunatly, I am NOT STUPID and I don't assume the game will be like Warcraft in all cases. While I wished there were flying mounts in LOTRO (riding around on EAGLES, how awesome would that be!?), I know that each MMO has to be true to itself.
Plus, when i have a question, I usually try to look it up first. =p
I will say one thing. I'm not sure about FFXI, but LOTRO lacks a lot of the user-generated resources that WoW has. The WoW community is huge on putting up guides and instance walkthroughs and all sorts of crazy stuff like that. And Blizzard even encourages it to a certain extent and promotes fan-run content. It's something of an adjustment to go to a game where those kinds of things aren't at your fingertips.
Indeed.
@some of the comments left in this thread... Some people are doing exactly what Dave is discussing,wanting to find element similar to the game you're more familiar with in the new game you've decided to play... and griping (to some degree) when you don't find it.
- Regarding the "late" introduction of starter quests. You know what, I agree, some starter quests would have been very helpful.
However, they're not necessary to learn the game or enjoy it. And here's why...
Not in a "back in my day" or "elitist" way at all, but all of us who started out in FFXI upon its release in the US (and those who started before that in Japan) were, in no way "superhuman" or super intelligent.
We approached the situations as "oh.. this is weird.. how does this work?" and then set out to figure it out ourselves, or with the help of others. We shared the information with others, and through that the community that FFXI is well-known for (end-game elitists notwithstanding) was born.
How did we "cope" with it?
We simply made use of the resources we had at our disposal: Our brains, our eyes and basic communication with other players in-game, or on forums.
Not sure how to do something? Ask. Or look it up. Or see if you can figure it out yourself. You *will* figure it out. I promise. And as a bonus, you'll have done it without the game practically leading you by the nose through each and every step, so all you're doing is coloring by numbers.
I do think the starting quests are helpful in that they give new players at least the basics of the game - enough to get you off and on your way - but in no way ruin the remaining experiences to come.
But, to reiterate, I don't think they were "necessary" to make FFXI a good or better game than it already was. They just lower the starting curve a bit.
FFXI is best experienced exactly the way it is. And it's good that a game like it exists. Actually, no.. It's *great* that it exists.
People mention that "games are supposed to be fun". That's correct. They are. And, to us, the way FFXI is, is fun.
No, we're not masochists because *you* (you meaning anyone who would think so) don't enjoy it. If you think that way, get over yourself.
I would personally like to see level-syncing restricted a bit more - players hitting 75 in level 30 capped parties and then being 10+ levels behind on their skills and being unable to close a Skill Chain is just absurd to me. Your job levels aren't the only ones that matter, folks.
In any case... To summarize... FFXI is a great game as it is. Is it perfect? Nope. But its imperfections are not, in my opinion, in its basic design so much as they are in some other aspects.. like not being able to step up a 3 inch tall ledge when you're on a 10 foot tall Chocobo. That's just annoying.
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