Friday, February 20, 2009


I'm going to be honest with you. I was not looking forward to joining a PvP server.

PvP just isn't my cup of tea.

Don't get me wrong now... I understand why some people enjoy the challenge blah blah blah.

Not my style.

See, I signed up for the whole RPG gig because I wanted to go out and fight monsters. Big, ugly monsters who inexplicably carry awesome items that will help my kill other big, ugly monsters.

That was what they were originally going to call RPGs. Role-playing was just catchier.

Why in the hell would I want to play an RPG to fight against other players?

If I wanted to fight other players, I would play a fighting game.

That's kind of the point.

When I play a racing game, I don't expect their to be a first person shooting section.

That would be retarded.

I know what you're thinking. You're thinking that since I hate everyone, I should LOVE PvP.

That is both very logical and very wrong.

I do hate people. Unfortunately, the entire point of PvP requires that I interact with other people.

This is counter-productive.

I would much rather just go on my way, kill the evil monsters, and not have to deal with anyone unless I specifically needed their help.

To me, other people are tools.

I mean they are either resources to be used to my advantage or are just giant tools.

Either or.

And possibly both.

You can understand why I would want to limit all interaction as much as possible.

Don't be offended. I don't mean you guys.

You guys are cool.

I just hate everyone except you.

Still, because I had agreed to at least try PvP, I felt it was my duty to roll a character on a PvP server.

In order to make the experience focus on the PvP aspect specifically, I created another human Paladin. That way the only game mechanic being changed would be the PvP factor.

We here at Bannable Offenses are very concerned with maintaining proper scientific method.

Plus, I wouldn't have to learn a new job.

Made sense to me.

The funny part was, there wasn't really any difference.

I mean ANY difference.

I started out in Northshire, ran the same quests in Elwynn Forest and Westfall, killed the same monsters and got the same rewards.

Oh... Kay.

Perhaps my feelings toward PvP were unfounded. Maybe there wasn't really anything there to hate.

And then... Then I stepped into Redridge Mountains.

This it would turn out, was a mistake.

Almost immediately after I entered the zone, I ran into an incredibly high level Horde player.

"Ran into" is a nice way of saying that he came out of nowhere and murdered the living shit out of my character.

Well, I had to expect some fighting. That was the entire point.

I run back from the nearest graveyard ready to hop right back into my still warm body when a funny thing happened.

He was still there.

Standing on my corpse.

I thought that was strange, but maybe he was waiting for someone or something.

I hit the resurrect button and start to ask himwhat he's waiting for and WHAM! I'm back in the graveyard.

He was camping on my body just to kill me over and over.

A little research has indicated that this is called "ganking".

This is more concise than my suggestion "freaking douchebag who needs to have his ass severely beaten".

Feel free to use mine. We can even use letters.


I know how you WoW players love the freaking letters.

That's how I spent much of my day.

He'd kill me.

I'd run back.


Finally, I was so fed up I decided I'd just get resurrected by the Spirit Healer in the graveyard and take the damage to my gear.

It sucked, but it was pretty much my only option at that point.

Apparently, the nearest graveyard was the one in Redridge Mountains.

I probably would have had to figure a way to get back to Elwynn forest without running into that same guy again.

I would have exept for the fact that there was someone else camping out in the graveyard.

Maybe they were a team.

Maybe I picked the lesser known Douchebag server.

I don't know.

I do know that I did not particularly enjoy my time on a PvP server.

Next time, I'll just save time, roll on a normal server, and then punch myself in the balls several times.

I'm thinking Hunter.


At 10:10 PM, Blogger Jaszon said...

Should of stayed in Elwyn and leveled on Boars.

At 10:14 PM, Blogger Lissuh said...

Should of bubble+hearth'd.

Campers suck. They're all a bunch of douches. That's why I never played on PvP. PvP pretty much connotates 'douche-bag'.

Then again, WoW does that in general now a days.

At 10:46 PM, Blogger Mystic said...

No, it isn't a douchebag server. That is normal PVP. And that is why I will never in my life play on a PVP server, RP or otherwise. There are enough idiots to deal with on the normal servers. I don't need them ganking my shit every time I try to take a step too.

At 10:46 PM, Blogger tyranastrasz said...

Congratulations, [GM]Dave, you have just discovered what is quite literally the only difference between normal and PvP servers.

Once when the test servers were up, my character somehow got copied to the PvP server by mistake. I was killed and corpse camped once or twice while I waited for my second character copy to finish. Fortunately I have books. If I was killed and being corpse camped, I just stood on my body as a ghost and read until the campers got bored and went away.

You'd be amazed how quickly that happens. Campers can be surprisingly impatient.

At 10:48 PM, Blogger Mystic said...

tyranastrasz: You have a point there. They seem to get pissy if you don't play into their games.

Next, [GM]Dave will discover training and how hilariously it can go wrong.

At 11:33 PM, Blogger Chirri said...

Yyyeah, when I first started playing WoW, my buddies from previous MMOs (the male ones, the opinionated ones) had decided they had to play on a PvP Server.

I read the rules (you're free game outside your newbie zones and your faction's home cities) and though, "Wow. That's probably going to suck. But so will having to deal with new, to PvP we go."

We got to about level... I think it was 35 before the lot of us threw our hands in the air. It works better when you do pretty much everything with a group. If nothing else, it's that many more bodies between you and the Ganker. On the other hand, it's completely useless when half the group wants to stay and fight, and the other half wants to either run away, or sit there and take the ganking, and HOPE the jerk won't camp your corpses.

And the guys who'd wanted to play on a PvP server so very badly would always whine about how crappy the gankers and corpse campers were. Like it wasn't something they thought fit within the rules of the game. Like they thought this was some new, unheard of punishment that had never occurred to anyone before. PvP's only cool when you're the one doing the ganking, apparently.

So now we play on a PvE Server. And all the guys who had wanted that PvP server? Yeah, they don't play anymore. They don't play any MMOs. Solo "At least the computer doesn't get creative about killing me, so I can 'out smart' it," games.

...freaking PvP.

At 12:14 AM, Blogger Lawlme said...

I read the title and my first thought was. "He got ganked, didn't he..."

At 12:37 AM, Blogger Nick said...

The PvP servers were designed with the idea that you would be fighting against other characters from the other faction that are around your level (there used to be penalties for ganking). Now it mainly is for people who suck at the game to kill lower level players until they feel better about paying their $15 a month for a game they have no talent in.

My advice for anyone playing on a PvP server: Join a populated guild, and make friends. When someone tries to corpse camp you, call in 5 of your Lv. 80 geared friends to remind them of what PvP is :)

I've been playing on PvP servers since day one, and that's the only way I've found to tolerate it.

At 12:40 AM, Blogger rjdabbar said...

Roll a hunter. I did four years ago and it is the only character I play.

At 2:30 AM, Blogger Shawn said...

I played exclusively on PvP servers for years (mostly at the insistence of my friends), so believe me, I'm speaking from experience when I say you'll almost never experience real PvP on a PvP server. One out of every ten or so encounters with the opposite faction will be with someone your own level that you can have a decent fight with. The other nine will be against the roaming idiots who seek to validate their existences by insta-gibbing players 20+ levels lower than them.

World PvP in WoW is mostly dead. WoW's real PvP happens in instanced battlegrounds and arenas, most of which don't open up until you reach the high levels. However, the lower battlegrounds are basically the playground for people with other, max level characters, because half the people you run into in them are loaded up with items and enchantments no actual newbie could ever realistically afford. So real newbies just end up getting steamrolled by people they have no chance against, just like in world PvP.

Honestly, WoW PvP is terrible until you get to a fairly high level, where more of the different PvP venues are open and the playing field is more level. Even then it's not that great, but it actually does have some potential to be fun, unlike watching Xxdarkninjastabxx sit on your corpse for an hour. And since all the regular PvP venues are open on Normal servers also, there's really no reason to play on a PvP server unless you're a glutton for punishment.

At 3:45 AM, Blogger Kiwi said...

Or just roll on a blue(normal) server. Generally less douche-baggish people. Slightly more irritating, but at least you can decide if and when you'd like to PvP. Oh.. and you'll likely want to stay out of any Battlegrounds until around level 39. Even the 39 bracket is dominated by freaking twinks, but the 19 and 29 brackets are over run by them. >.<

At 5:15 AM, Blogger Shiraki said...

That's why I like stuff like Balista ^-^ I'm all for pvp, but stuff like what you went though is just ridiculous :/ back on RO whenever that happened to me I would come out as my sinX and pwn the shit outta them right back.

At 5:25 AM, Blogger Kinam said...

see, kiwi, the problem is that [GM]Dave is only on a trial account, he can only get to level 20 as a max...

So ... Hunter ... what many WoW players will call "easy mode" ... be aware, that there's not much you'll be able to do and it will feel the same up to level 10, whereby you'll get a quest to go claim your first pet .. you'll be asked to go around and tame with a taming rod certain beasties .... then when you prove you've tamed it, you are given the next rod to tame the next breed ... what they don't tell you is that you have to dismiss your current pet to be able to claim a new one ... target your pet, right click on it's frame, then dismiss it there.

Once you've tamed the different things and given the actual tame beasts skill to tame your perm pet... choose a cat, it'll be great damage output and keep the hate off yourself while you shoot it from afar. I'd say do dwarven hunter or whichever horde characters gets native bow/gun specialization and go with that ... make the early leveling much easier ... oh, and to make easy money to be able to pay for your ammo, choose two gathering abilities ... skinning is almost a must (get to skin any beasties you kill) and either mining or herbalism ... sell everything you skin and gather and use that money to fund your shooting ... seeing as you can't exploit the heck out of the auction house on a trial account -.-

At 7:34 AM, Blogger Kistasaurus said...

I started on a PvP server due to friends being on that server... I tried moving to a PvE server once, but it scared me how nice people were. That's just not right.

At 7:42 AM, Blogger Donny Walnuts said...

Normal servers own [GM]Dave! You can get that PvP aspect to the game if you flag yourself for PvP, or go into a PvP area. But if you're not flagged, you can go along leveling without the fear of getting ganked.

Normal = awesomeness.

At 7:48 AM, Blogger Sean said...

@ Nick:

My advice for anyone playing on a PvP server: Join a populated guild, and make friends. When someone tries to corpse camp you, call in 5 of your Lv. 80 geared friends to remind them of what PvP is :)

You do realize we're talking about Dave here, right? The person who just said, in this very post, that he wants to avoid interaction with others whenever possible?

As far as PvP goes, there is pretty much only one way to avoid ganking: Be one of the first characters on the server. When AoC was released I joined an RP-PvP server thinking there would be less assholes and more fun. For the first character I made, that was absolutely 100% true. Since I was leveling up with pretty much everyone else, there was no ganking. We had real PvP with rival guilds, competitions, RP-PvP Events, and a lot of other fun stuff.

Since my first character was so fun, I decided to roll another on the same server. Oh, how different that was. Gankers and campers abound. It sucked, because I couldn't grab my higher-level and teach them a lesson. See, there was a level cap of 25. Most people left at 20, because they didn't want to stay there any longer. My main was 75 by that point.

At 7:52 AM, Blogger Devilfish said...

It's just embarrassing to have to call your high level friends every time someone decides to spend his day sitting atop your mushy broken corpse. When I got a decent level I resented being called over to deal with a corpse camper every hour while I could be crafting or leveling. I joined a PvP server because my friends were there, but the corpse campers and other assorted a*holes eventually made me quit the game (and stat FFXI, so yay, I suppose).

At 8:45 AM, Blogger Saifer said...

Thats why, even tho I like pvp, I dont like pvp servers, cuz in a normal realm, u can choose when to pvp. Now, if he were anywhere near ur lvl that would had been ok i guess, but if im not mistaked, he had no reason @ all to kill u, other than to piss u off.

At 9:02 AM, Blogger Dan said...

The problem with WoW is that it's not a PvP based game. Before you write off PvP in general, I recommend playing a game that is based almost solely around PvP. Oddly enough, less douchebags tend to show up in those games.

At 9:52 AM, Blogger Daniel said...

I have one character on a PvP server and I stopped playing him for this very reason. Actually, in one case I was minding my own business walking somewhere when a guy near my level killed me (as I wasn't paying attention).

So then I came back and killed him.

About 5 times.

Yeah... The street does go both ways.

At 10:16 AM, Blogger Nick said...

@ Sean

@ Nick:

My advice for anyone playing on a PvP server: Join a populated guild, and make friends. When someone tries to corpse camp you, call in 5 of your Lv. 80 geared friends to remind them of what PvP is :)

You do realize we're talking about Dave here, right? The person who just said, in this very post, that he wants to avoid interaction with others whenever possible?

I don't expect Dave to follow it, it was more of a general advice for anyone with the misfortune of living on PvP servers, hence the first line.

At 10:44 AM, Blogger MinorAgentofChaos said...

PvP servers have a function --

They give the anti-social psychotic douchebags a place to congregate so that the rest of us can play the game in peace.

Hypothetically, anyway. There's still some PvP on the PVE servers -- I've run into far too many flagged PVPers on the regular servers, who hang around the low level areas and wait for unflagged players to use area-damage spells...then jump into the area of effect, take the damage, and cause the unflagged player to be flagged.

THEN they gank 'em.

Of course, on a regular server, the PVP flag only lasts five minutes, so you can wait it out before rezzing.

But Dave, as the others said, you basically gave all the reasons I will never join a PVP server.

Now what you might want to do is get one of your toons to level 19, then join the Warsong Gulch battleground (do it horde-side -- Alliance sucks at Warsong, for some reason). That'll give you a bit of an idea of what MOST WoW PVP is like.

At 11:40 AM, Blogger Codexx said...

Dave, just roll a freaking hunter and level him as high as you can.

If you keep rerolling, especially a paladin, you're just keeping yourself stuck in the first 10 or so levels. These are the most repetitive and boring levels ever. The exception being levels 30-50 tend to be less repetitive, but even more boring.

And stick to PvE servers. There's no involuntary ganking, and while some people will consider people who don't play on PvP servers "casual noobs who don't want to really play the game", it's because they're angry they have less people to gank.

I just wish you could hit 80 and enjoy a raid.

At 12:21 PM, Blogger Salt said...

I would much rather just go on my way, kill the evil monsters, and not have to deal with anyone unless I specifically needed their help.

To me, other people are tools.

I mean they are either resources to be used to my advantage or are just giant tools.

For this reason you should have loved WoW, since you can solo all the way to 80 and only group for group quest & low level dungeons - both which you can skip if you want, but they do give better loot which might speed up your leveling.

PVP. Ahhh...

I thank my lucky stars I didn't rolled on a PVP server, it would have taken forever to level or get anything done for the matter. ><

But even on a PVE server you can PVP if you want, but only if you willingly flag yourself.

Then there are Battlegrounds(BGs), which are basically instanced PVP battles.
Although BGs like WSG, AB are bracketed according to levels (etc. 10-19, 20-29) I recommend you stay out of them unless you are lvl-capped at lvl 80. They will be flooded with "twinks"***.

At lvl cap there is Wintergrasp, a non-instance PVP zone in Northend where if you enter you are instant flagged, which have battles every 2.5 hours or so.

There is also Arena, basically group duels with ranking. Most of the best PVP gear comes from here. Very competitive.

***Twinks being low lvl characters made by people whose main character have already hit 80, and have extra disposable gold.
So they roll a low lvl which they gear to the teeth with the best gear they can find, enchanted with the best enchantments they can get.
You can expect to get curbstompped by them 100% if you ever fight them.

At 12:28 PM, Blogger tyranastrasz said...


That old "jump into the AOE" trick hasn't worked for a long time. I remember it did used to happen years ago, but they patched it out. You have to be flagged yourself now for your AOE spells to do damage to a flagged player.

At 4:10 PM, Blogger shallot said...

Call me ignorant (which I am, painfully so) but... why didn't you just log off and come back later? Is there some crucial game mechanic I'm missing?

At 6:59 PM, Blogger RamblingDreamer said...

@ tyranastrasz: That old "Jump into AOE" trick still works. At least, it did after my warrior first hit Northrend. I was out questing and fighting mobs, hit my whirlwind*, and suddenly got turned into a greasy spot by four nearby Allies. I was NOT flagged at the time, preferring my PVP to be in BGs and not out in the world. Yet they got me anyway, and I got flagged.

Just an FYI.

To [GM]Dave: PVP servers suck. Regular servers are much better (and not as rage-inducing). You can reach level 10-20 and get into some low-level BGs if you want to check it out. :)

At 7:51 PM, Blogger tyranastrasz said...

Maybe it's a bug with that particular ability. I know I've seen people try it with things like Arcane Explosion and Flamestrike and it didn't work.

At 8:38 PM, Blogger Joshua said...

WoW's PvP is lame. The system of punishment for ganking people is apparently not severe enough. losing honor points for killing someone far below your level just doesn't work out.

The Best PvP system i have played in was on Lineage 2 (which is focused on the pvp element more than any other). The Karma system in it has some severe punishment that takes a lot of time and effort to resolve to keep from losing very expensive gear to people.

WoW's system is just a broken mess. Normal servers are better than PvP servers by a long shot because of the failure to address the punishment side. Perhaps if they instituted an eaten by dragon punishment for ganking low level players it might solve some of the issues.

At 8:40 PM, Blogger MinorAgentofChaos said...


It does so work. I lost track of how many times I got nailed on the Isle while running the Shattered Sun quests -- all because a flagged horde SOB ran into my lock's Shadowfury, or my pally's Consecrate.

At 6:51 AM, Blogger Eric said...

Wow, people bitching about pvp on a pvp server. It happens, get used to it. I usually never stereotype but holy hell it seems like all FFXI players quit WoW because they couldn't handle pvp. QQ more? no I'm not one of those "pvp happened no a pvp server" people but ffs grow a set and l2p seriously.

Yes you will get ganked. It happens. It makes you bitter and angry and hate the world more. And you will come back with vengence and destroy everyone who might have wronged you before. It will MAKE you like Dave for crying outloud! You live and learn.

STV was MADE so you have to learn how to play your damn class better to survive. Kind of sink or swim kind of way. You can ALWAYS find zones to level in where you won't get ganked or pvp. WoW would be expectionally boring if you couldn't pvp. See that horde/alliance over there taking your flower or your mine. Whoop his ass. Hell half the time I wish I could kill alliance more than horde.

The old school tarren mill/southshore battles were epic and I loved the isle dailies. Basically instigated fights. Eventually everyone would forget they were there for a reason and just haev an all out brawl. If you didn't like it, leave. It was that simple.

le sigh

At 10:02 PM, Blogger Neil said...

^^ What he said, really.

I've rolled on both brands of servers. And whilst there's more l33t people on the pvp servers, there tends to be BETTER players on there too. On average far better groups/raids/whatevers on pvp servers.

As said, it really does make you learn your class a bit more.

That said, if you're really getting ganked so hard, just move to a different zone for a while, and theres usually options to do so. Ganksbrad and STV tend to be bad places for pure levelling.

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