Sunday, February 22, 2009

WoW: Roleplaying

For my last official night as a WoW player, I thought I would take the final step and create a character on a Roleplaying server.

I might as well have not bothered.

The sum total of my "roleplaying" experience was listening to some whiny little bastard drone on and on in general chat about how all of his friends were at school and how he was bored.

Apparently, he was roleplaying as a retard.

I doubt it was too far of a stretch for him.

Here I was expecting to spawn into a world filled with Shakespearean soliloquies and medieval lore, a world where each character wove a rich tapestry of background story for their character.




Do you know what really sets a nice roleplaying mood?

Some adolescent punk shouting lolz and emotes to the entire area in general chat.

I would have felt right at home if the game was called World of Mallrats.

See what I did there?

It kind of rhymes.


My wit is lost on you people.

And does anyone tell the guy to knock off? Of course not.

Instead, they decide to have a conversation with him.


Hey, you're from Australia? That must be just south of GOLDSHIRE!

Man, people piss me off.

The funny part is that I was expecting to get pissed off. I assumed that an entire server of people acting in character would get on my nerves pretty quickly.

Ironically, it was the guy not acting in character that pissed me off the most.

That's the kind of retarded yelling you see on regular servers. The entire point of playing on an RP server was so you don't have to listen to that bullshit.

We don't want to hear about your life.

I'm over here trying to set a mood.

An ambiance, if you will.

I'm trying to elevate my experience to new levels of creativity and fictional narrative by immersing myself in a fantasy world and escaping the crude dialogue of the real world.

So shut the F&%@ UP!


At 8:28 PM, Blogger Gero said...

I never did understand why they had the rp servers the few times ive visited them its been exactly the same as every other server.

maybe they start roleplaying once they get past the begining who knows.

At 9:40 PM, Blogger tyranastrasz said...

There's RP on RP servers, but you have to look really hard for it. Depending on the server, you pretty much won't see anyone RPing in public. I did get lucky on the last character I made on an RP server, I made an undead warlock and got involved in a conversation I overheard in an inn, and that led to us questing together and a bunch of other stuff happening. It was fun, but I enjoy my regular server's crowd too much to play on a different server full-time.

Also, general chat is considered OOC, so people can say whatever they want there. /say and /yell are the "in-character" channels.

P.S. Anyone who RPs in WoW using ye olde englishe is doing it wrong.

At 9:55 PM, Blogger Liss said...

Pretty much the only place I've ever seen any form of RPing in WoW is in Silvermoon City. Then it's just a bunch of whiny teenagers pretending that they're the elite of the Horde and scoffing at all the Undead for being... well, dead.

It's really rather pathetic.

At 11:21 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

People on RP servers who actually want to RP are very annoyed by these people, too.

What's more annoying than the guy talking about how he's from Australia, though, are the RP griefers. These are asshats who specifically roll on RP servers to proclaim how stupid RP is - loudly, at every opportunity.


At 12:04 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Dave, you should try EG (End Game :P). Thats the real point in WoW.

Leveling is just a shit. End raiding is 95% of WoW. You can not evaluate WoW without having played a lvl 80 and raiding some stuff.

Just and advice :D


At 12:54 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Completely agree. The end game is so much more enjoyable than the entire leveling experience. Not even with regard to raiding, just more fun in general.

At 1:13 AM, Blogger BrynneEmrys said...

I've been reading this blog for a while and I just wanted to finally leave a comment. First, I really enjoy the blog and have laughed many a time about things both in FFXI or in WoW or just gaming in general. I do, however, just have a couple comments to make in response to your anecdotes about WoW vs. FFXI.

1: Crafting
FFXI: Sink tons of money into making an item that already exists 200k times over and then be undercut by some RMT...if the item doesn't break.
WoW: Die of boredom while waiting for that 40th copper ingot to finish so you can finally make brass ingots...

2: Questing
FFXI: Not only can't you find the people, half the time the quest isn't even fully explained, nor does it make much sense after you look it up online.
WoW: Fall asleep during your third 5 minute flight between Westfall and Lakshire (or play your Tetris addon)

3: Maps
FFXI: OMG!!!! I forgot to buy a map for this region! Time to death warp.
WoW: Wait...that part of the map wasn't there a minute ago...oh, right. I did just get exploration xp, didn't I?

4: Gear
FFXI: Everyone is in the same gear, except that Dark Knight who thinks he's a caster.
WoW: The gear is similar, but at least it glows differently!

5: Character looks
FFXI: 30billion Hume Female White Mages with the same face and hair...
WoW: 30billion Male Night Elf Druids with a green mohawk trying to be Mr. T.

6: End Game
FFXI: 3 hours gathering for a 2 hour fight. Then 4 hours of melee burn to get back the xp you lost from dying so much.
WoW: 3 hours gathering for a 2 hour raid. Then 4 hours farming crap to get back the gold you lost from dying so much.

Lol, I love both the games, but they are similar if you look closely enough. And different too, those differences being what makes them so appealing. I do like the more casual feel of WoW, but the social atmosphere and challenge of FFXI kept me playing for 5 years. I'm glad you love your game, but I also hope that someday you'll come back to WoW just to play for fun.

At 1:49 AM, Blogger AlphaMaelstrom said...

I quit wow years ago, because I got tired of the lack of RP on RP servers. We finally got RP-PVP, and it was just the PVPers rerolling on the 'new servers'.

The Roleplayers got tired of the RP-griefers for the most part, and found ways to avoid them. Firstly, roleplayers turn off general chat. close it, put obviously OOC chat channels in their own channels and ignore them. Only talk IC on /say, and avoid everything else like the plague when in-character.

Secondly, addons. The original was flagRSP, but I think it's been replaced by myroleplay, or something to that effect. Allows you to set a last name, character description, bunch of pointless modifiers like titles, and crap. Can only seem them if you have the addons, and mouse over someone else with the addon. Allows roleplayers to find each other, and avoid the jackasses who talk about sports and such, whom we then just report since talking about blatantly real-world subjects on public channels on the RP servers is technically against the RP server's TOS. Not that the GM's actually do anything, but it makes us feel better about having to deal with the crap, without a flame war being incited and encouraging them to troll the community further.

At 2:03 AM, Blogger Fireball said...

You know, the more I read/hear about WoW, the less I want to play it.

At 2:48 AM, Blogger Pickle9 said...

Ah yes lolwow. I've gotta say, I owe it a hell of a lot. It really enhanced my gaming life.

I started playin FFXI about 4 years back and about a year into it, my LS had a huge falling out between the leaders, and all us underlings took sides, and in the end over half of us left... I myself quit for 8 months. I had no intentions of coming back...

Until one day my mate said we should start playing an MMO together and it should be wow cos he had another friend playing. So we both got trial packs, and played. I gave it a go for about 3-4 days but everything was equal or worse then FF. I was thinking about FF the whole time I played.

I reintalled FF, reactivated my character and been playing it hard for over 2 years now.

About 3 months ago, my lolwow mate quit wow. said he was wasting too much time. I don't consider FF time a waste.

Thank you wow^^

At 7:08 AM, Blogger Eric said...

Still very despressed you didn't do a single instance. :(

At 8:51 AM, Blogger T Straus said...

He said earlier he was looking for a VC/DM run, pugs.... /wrist.

Trial account doesn't really give a good grasp for playing WOW in my opinion.

You gotta get yourself a social guild, and really leveling is the worst part of the game, hell you didn't even get to new content with what was released in BC and WOTLK.

Hell I would offer you my account to give it a shot if you would like. I have an 80 DK with good raiding gear, 80 Hunter with getting ok gear and an 80 Pally I leveled and then didn't work much on his gear.

If you would like I would offer you my account to try out end game stuff.

At 9:07 AM, Blogger Saifer said...

Im both a WoW and FFXI player, and I have a few points I would like to mark bout both games"

Quests: FFXI qsts most of them r really annoying, and most of the time the rewards r not worth it, because u spend so much time just walking around, u end up just wasting ur time. I have checked alot of qsts in ffxi wiki and most of the time I ask myself "whats the point in all of this", the only reason u would do qsts in FF r because of fame, unless u have money to buy those few items that raises ur fame. WoW qsts r not that bad in terms of reward and time consuming. Its true, most of them r kill x number of monster get x number of items, but if u look @ FFXI qsts, what do we got: travel the world so u can talk to this x numbers of nPC then go to x place and kill a NM, then come back to me and ill send u back to another npc so u can get ur reward, I dont see that any better than WoW. And after 5 years of playing Final and 3 months of WoW, I enjoy WoW qst more than Final, the main reason being the time it takes to do stuff in WoW.

Final is not a game for any 1 because just loggin in and walk to the AH and back to ur house can take some time,there r ppl I know that cant play Final because they dont have enough time to play, there is no accomplishment u can do in FF in lets say, an Hour, unlike WoW, u can even run Instances in just an Hour, and maybe depending on how good ur team is, u will still have some time after then Instance, thats 1 of the reasons I love WoW, u can do alot of things in a limited ammount of time.

Graphics: EXCUSE ME, but WoW is supperior to FF any time of the day. Any armor u see in FF that makes u say: damn this look awesome, u will droll off to death in WoW, characters looks more alive in WoW, with their lighting effect running through all the armor, of the RE2 eye like stuff in the shoulder looking around and hiding, u dont see any stuff like that in FF(yeah, im sure im gonna hear something like PS2 limitations) The maps looks alot better in WoW, in fact, that I can remember, the only place ive been in Final that made me say "omg this place looks sweet" was my 1st time in Zitah. There is no copy/paste of maps in WoW, @ least I havent seen 1. Take a look @ the mounts, for example.

Now, Dave mentioned something bout the map markers and qsts, making the game too easy, if u look @ it this way, we dont have that in FF, but we do have wikipedia, wich tells us even optional conversations, so, I dont see any diffference @ all, because no 1 will go do a qst blindfolded unless they r playing on a platform and dont have any form of PC @ home.

I got ALOT of more stuff to why WoW has over 9million of players and FF have alot less, goin down with all the bannings and stuff, but ill ommit that for now, dont get me wrong I love FF been playing for 5 years and I still love it, but, u have to admit when something is good, im just bein honest.

At 9:13 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

amen, dave, amen.

I have a couple toons on an RP server. I'm not on them at all, for the same reasons you name.

Though -- you didn't run into the massive requests for cybering? That's what drove me off the RP'ing.

I'm on a regular server now, and roleplay despite that; half my guild thinks I'm nuts, the other half thinks it's cool (and want to know where I got the add-on that shouts character-appropriate things in battle ;) ).

At 9:31 AM, Blogger Nummies said...

Yeah its just so sad how leveling is HALF THE GAME.

I played WoW for like 2 weeks and got 41 Hunter and 21 Rogue.

Didn't l;ike it probably because FFXI ruined it for me. I felt like i was going back to middle school from college. and The teachers were giving everyone candy and A's

At 9:54 AM, Blogger Nummies said...

ok, sorry about the double post, but, this is for Saifer...

WoW IS like the middle school of MMO. Look wut it did 4 u. Saifer. Thats not a knock off of ff8 is it??

talking like a tard. You don't like ffxi because its takes time and its a challenge, sounds like you are one of the many would be tards Dave would feed to a dragon if he got the chance. Stay on WoW.

At 10:42 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Come now, Nummies. WoW isn't completely populated by people who write that way. I play WoW, and can (and do) speak in full sentences. I even use proper grammar and punctuation! (Gasp!) I grant you that a lot of people there can't seem to string two words together let alone a sentence, but there *are* those of us who can communicate pretty well.

I've played FFXI. I rather enjoyed it, and only stopped because money got a little tight and I had to give up one or the other. I gave up FFXI because my husband and many of our friends play WoW - better to play with them than play alone. In the time I was there, I saw just as much idiocy as is displayed on WoW. The only difference was that half of it was through the built in translators.

Mock the game if you will. It's not for everyone, and we all have our preferences in regards to game mechanics and whatnot. But PLEASE do not lump all WoW players in with the idiots. If you do that, you may as well do it for FFXI as well - idiots are everywhere, after all.

At 11:47 AM, Blogger Saifer said...

Ok Nummies, 1st of all, the only REAL challenge in FF is not the game itself, is dealing with the community, other than that is not a hard game.. Ppl that only want the best and nothing else, elitists that wont let u in their Nyzul pt because u r not 75 or u r not 1 of the overrated jobs, ppl that will disband their pts because they cant find a brd cor or rdm. Ppl that will eat u alive if u make them wait 10mins and will kick u out, ppl that will make u gimp ur melee power for utsusemi, THAT is the real challenge of FFXI, not the game, so it looks like u and I r not playing the same game, so, Idk what r u talking bout, now if by any reason u dare to say im wrong u r the 1 that should be fed to a dragon. And it looks like u didnt read my post after all because I said "dont get me wrong I love FF been playing for 5 years and I still love it".

At 12:21 PM, Blogger Rachelle said...

Ug, in this case, I agree with you completely Dave. Those of us who do try to role play are quickly drowned out with idiocy. Sucks. =\

At 12:24 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

*sigh* And that's what sucks about RP servers. There are those of us who do try. You need to look in the back corners of the taverns. We hide there, hoping the idiots do not find us.

Apparently "RP" for most people actually means "a server where people haven't driven me off and called me an idiot yet".

At 12:50 PM, Blogger Anonymous said...

I played FFXI from age 14 to age 17 and then my boyfriend at the time who played WoW got me into the game.

I tried to go back to ffxi a couple times but I couldn't do it. It's slow paced, its mechanics are horrible, finding people for a group takes HOURS, you can't do shit past level 10 by yourself. All the gear looks exactly the same. And even at level 75 with the best gear, a mob that's a decent challenge can kill you.

Hell I remember seeing when I played two level 75s sitting afk in the Crawlers Nest and they got murdered by crawlers in a less than half a minute. Mobs that they could have barely killed on their own if they had been there to fight back.

And It's honestly pathetically hypocritical of Dave saying that he likes FFXI better when he hates people. All you do in FFXI is level up by killing shit, with OTHER PEOPLE. And then when you're at cap? You kill More shit with people to get the best artifact gear that can't protect you from getting killed by a giant squishy bug that if you look at it has no real way of killing anything.

In ffxi you can get killed by bunnies, and bees, and lizards and mandragoras and giant worms and crawlers... At least in WoW the animals that kill you have logical ways to kill you. Like a wolf, it can bite the shit out of you, its a strong animal. Same with a bear, or a tiger, raptor, t-rex, wild boar, crocodile, hyena, spider, rhino, snake, or Gorilla. That makes sense that those could kill you. And sure they do have crabs and eagles and such, but they do low damage, you can easily kill them without taking much damage if any at all. It makes sense.

Also in regards to the classes you can play, WoW has FFXI beat. In ffxi you have little to no abilities other than standing there and attacking something unless your a mage, and even then you really just stand there and use the highest level spell that is effective against that mob, or if your a white mage you protect and shell the party then spam ur highest rank of cure. and then, even if everyone is doing everything right, you still take massive damage and have to rest in between every kill. Or you just get killed and if you HP isn't set in the area your in you end up all the way back in Jeuno and have to find a teleport.

In WoW, you get tons of abilities, and there are three ways to play each class. With a Paladin, you can be a tank, a healer or a melee. Plus you don't have to group the entire game if you don't want to until you get to the level cap, and even then you don't have to if you just want to pvp. You literally don't have to rely on anyone else in WoW and can still accomplish something. Though if you want to you can group the whole game and level up that way as well. There are many ways to play the game unlike ffxi which past level 10 forces you to group to do anything.

And then what do you get out of it when you're level 75? You get the best gear that a giant bug can destroy and then what? Level another job? What happens if they're all level 75 and you have all the best gear? What do you do? Is there something else you can do when you get to that point? In WoW level cap is where the game begins, you raid to get new gear and oh? What? Blizzard releases new content and instances, so you can always get something better. You can get unique pets and mounts, you can work toward getting tabards and you can do battlegrounds and arenas. and what? you can raid main cities and towns and kill other players. Even if you have the best gear in wow there is still something to do. And blizzard will release something new for you to do every so often. It's an on going game. They change things and make things better, they add new things and places in not only expansions but in patches, they have better rewards for doing holiday quests and have more holidays than in ffxi.

Its actually FUN to play a character because there is more than one way to play and be good with any given class. There are more zones in WoW and alot to do in every zone. And even if you're level 80 with the best pvp gear its still fun to jump in a battle ground or arena and use your skills and abilities to fight other players. Just like playing a fighting game, its fun to be good at your character and kill other players. You still have something to do when you are at cap with great gear. You can kill things by yourself without almost dying or being killed. You don't just sit around at cap looking pretty in town because you cant do shit by yourself.

FFXI Was good for its time. I loved and played it for three years, but even back then, in its prime it had less players than Wow. And as time went on it lost more and more players, unlike wow which has more players now that it ever had before.

There is always a reason that something is the most popular, that it has more people that like it. If ffxi was truly an over all better game more people would play it. Its logic. Plus If you talk about FFXI when you're playing WoW people don't bash it or disrespect it, a lot of them actually USED to play it and reminisce with you. But if you talk about WoW in FFXI people yell at you and call you names and make ignorant comments when they've never even tried to play WoW.

There are opinions and there are facts. You're personal opinion might be that FFXI is a better MMO. But the facts show simply with the mass number of players that grows every day that WoW is over all a much better, more well received and enjoyed game.

At 2:09 PM, Blogger Michael said...

Here's why there isn't roleplaying in public on RP servers:
People, being generally retarded, roll on RP servers and then harass the crap out of anyone who actually role-plays. Role-players, seeing this, decide that RP is best kept in /w, /g, or /p (or /ra, if the group is large enough). They avoid being harassed, but nobody sees any role-playing going on, and that inspires more people to harass people who dare to role-play in public.

Its kind of a self-sustaining cycle.

At 2:48 PM, Blogger Dxoh said...

Ok Saifer, you are gonna give us an anuerism with the terrible spelling, grammer and logic... I don't think there is actually an argument in your entire tirade that is valid... sooo I really don't have to dispute it. Just point and laugh. Does the job.

At 3:04 PM, Blogger BiT said...

I think you could try Perfect World. I find it a very imersive world, still its still fairly new and has great oppertunity for improvement.

At 3:22 PM, Blogger Dxoh said...

Anonymous, you, however are asking for it. Have you ACTUALLY played FFXI? Let's break down your points. Monsters that you can't kill yourself. Step into a level 80 instance and fight an elite mob by yourself. Bite the dust yet? Monsters are relative in the games. You fight something stronger than you, you die. You fight something meant for a party to fight to win, you die.

As for your argument that classes in WoW have more flexibility... have you heard of subjobs? By changing the combination of your subjob and main job, you can have a huge combination of fighting styles. With one character in FFXI, you can have more variety than dozens of characters on WoW. One WoW character offers... three types. That's not even including how you may choose to use your merits and alter your gear in FFXI.

Also I really need to address this obsession with WoW's endgame. "WoW doesn't even START til endgame." Why the hell doesn't Blizzard give you a level 80, geared character then? I have to struggle through weeks, even months just to start the damn game? Eh, I'll take a pass. And, what... FFXI suddenly has no endgame? What about sky, dynamis, meriting?

Lastly... what the hell? WoW is constantly being updated, expansions being released... sure. Last I heard FFXI had three expansions, as opposed to WoW's two. And both games are constantly patched, altering and adding quests, skills, items, and game mechanics.

In conclusion, just because you THINK WoW is better because it is more "Popular", doesn't make it so. The games are just aimed at different crowds. WoW happens to target the casual gamer, the person that wants to play a little, then go about their business. Sure there are those that take it further... but not the majority. FFXI targets the more serious gamer. The person that wants his or her skills challenged and generally has more time to devote. But again, there are exceptions. Both games do their job for their target demographic well... but neither can be proven superior simply by looking at how many are playing.

At 3:24 PM, Blogger Dxoh said...

Oh and thank you for your time. Sorry for the rant mode. Have a nice day!

At 4:00 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Also I really need to address this obsession with WoW's endgame. "WoW doesn't even START til endgame."

Amen, Dxoh, amen. I play WoW, and I've gotten completely fed up with that attitude from players -- especially with the latest expansion, which had people clearing out the HIGH-LEVEL ENDGAME CONTENT within a week of its release.

Wow, guess the game ENDED for them.

That endgame attitude drove me out of one guild -- I want people to play with, not constant egging on to level so I can play with their high-level asses.

It's a whole game, not just endgame. Everyone keeps blathering that "it doesn't start until endgame" BS and completely forget that hey, if I have to wait 80 levels to really start PLAYING...hell, I'll just move on to FF where the game starts from level 1.

Or I would, if it was Mac-compatible.

Dave's hit a lot of valid points this week. I've hated the dumbing down of Warcraft's quests & leveling, I think the craft system is broken -- though I'll still argue the graphics point, because I think Dave had his settings set on the low end. :)

At 7:00 PM, Blogger Sean Hughes said...

@ Anonymous:

You wrote 11 paragraphs complaining about how FFXI is too hard for you, then wrote one paragraph saying the opinion of everyone who doesn't like WoW doesn't matter and how your opinion is a fact.

Sounds like you're the one who needs to get your facts straight.

@ Dave:

Kudos for trying WoW for an entire week. I couldn't make it past day 3 when I tried it myself. However, for all of the "WoW doesn't start until Endgame" people: I DID try endgame. I have a friend who used to play FFXI, that now plays WoW, who let me try a raid with his Lv80 Mage. I still didn't like it. In my opinion(See, that's an opinion, not a fact) FFXI's endgame is more challenging and rewarding then WoW's.

At 8:21 PM, Blogger Anonymous said...

LOL!!!!!!!!! Okay here, forget everything before it doesn't matter. You avid ffxi players always say the same exact shit.

FFXI is more of a challenge, its harder. Explain to me this, since when, did playing a hard video game, that contributes absolutely no way, what so ever to your life, only hinders it and causes to you waste countless hours in game, obtaining levels and items that will cease to exist the moment when they shut down the FFXI servers, which will inevitably happen, because no mmo lasts forever, become something to be proud about? That is why FFXI is a better game? Because it challenges you and takes longer to level and get shit that doesn't even matter? WoW is worse because its faster? Because you don't have to waste as much time while playing it? That makes FFXI more fun? More worth while? Really? REALLY?????????? Seriously? WoW is less fun because it doesn't take you 10 hours a day to get a level? WoW is not as good because you can actually do something in 1 hour versus 3 minimum in ffxi? Well If that's what you think, go for it. And when the FFXI servers shut down and all your imaginary world and characters and precious items that took you years to get disappear I hope it was worth it. In the mean time, when the WoW servers shut down, I'll sigh, shrug a little and remember how I didn't waste years playing a video game only for it to end.

At 8:58 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Ok, anon. 2 things: paragraphs...and wait...oh yeah, what is the genre of WoW and FFXI? RPG? NO!


What does it mean? Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game!

M-U-L-T-I-P-L-A-Y-E-R - meaning more than one player.

I have seen the so called high res stuff of WoW graphics, still looks like gumby got cut up and stuck back together. Makes me wonder if Blizzard ever heard of a sphere...well wait, they have. I know they have because I seen it in Starcraft. Guess they just forgot.

The purpose of FFXI is banding together with others to complete a common goal...hey looky that sounds kind of like real life situations...yeah go figure, I ace orginizational behavior by playing a game.

If I want to be a 1 man leveling killer dud (not a typo), I can go play CoD4 or something.

Tell me, which sounds better?
Getting a char to lvl80, some highend piece of equip that you can equip at lvl 1, and constant exp from killing a lvl 1 bunny.
Putting the time into, and feeling a sense of accomplishment from, killing a high end, challenging monster for a high end, awesome piece of equip.

Hmmm...tough choice...I do like laziness. Yes FFXI is tougher, and more challenging, because you actually have to work to become good at the job(s) you choose for your character. You can't stay at your home city for the entire game, you have to go out and put some effort into your character...
Hey that sounds like a metaphor for something...wish I could remember what it was called.
Hmm, all I remember is that no matter what there is a bunny that will kick your ass at any level...and possibly take your wallet.

And that last bit about shrugging and sighing when WoW goes into the void made laugh so much I nearly spit out my Diet Pepsi (cheesy grin). So you play WoW for 3+ years and when it goes off the air your gonna shrug at losing your lvl 80, high geared, dark elf shaman, william shatner-esque, character? Ya know, there is a name for people like you: hypocrite. If thats really how you will act, why bother playing at all? Why waste the time? Oh and further more, why waste the oxygen? Go find a ball-peen hammer.

Maybe when you graduate elemtentary school, you may graduate to a more mature game. Actually...just stay at WoW, I have enough trouble dealing with idiots who use Whitegate as their own personal chatroom...Dave you sure that place wasn't called Whitegate?

At 10:31 PM, Blogger Dxoh said...

Learn to read. Was there anything slamming EITHER game in my post? Nope. Just rebutting your insults to FFXI by comparing WoW and FFXI's similarities and differences.

Like I said, if WoW is your thing, good for you. If FFXI is your thing, also good for you. People just happen to have different tastes.

As for the "waste of time" issue... they are games. Meant for entertainment. If you enjoyed your time playing, no time wasting occurred. If you take say... two years in FFXI getting your character to the highest levels and getting the best gear, and feel a sense of accomplishment, all the better. It'll be a shame if it were all lost... but that doesn't mean those two years were suddenly wasted. Vice versa for WoW.

Honestly though, Anon...

You are an idiot.

At 10:44 PM, Blogger Dxoh said...

By the way, I play both WoW and FFXI. Depending on my mood and/or time constraints, I'll log into one or the other. WoW is the easier, less time consuming game. so I play that one if I feel like killing a few random things, or trying to gain a quick level before work. FFXI is the more difficult, time consuming game. I play that one if I've got plenty of time to kill, and I feel like ending my day with a sense of accomplishment. Both are thoroughly enjoyable in their contexts.

At 10:50 PM, Blogger Anonymous said...

Golden. they made the graphics lower quality so that people with bad computers could still play and enjoy the game. Look at the cg intros. They know how to make their graphics good. They make them lower quality on purpose in game.

Second "losing your lvl 80, high geared, dark elf shaman" and I'm the moron? You have obviously never played WoW if you think there are dark elf shamans in the game. So If you haven't played wow then stfu because you cant give an unbiased opinion. And don't give me that bull shit about you saying it as a joke. And even if you said that as a joke you're still a moron because why would you make a joke about something that doesn't even exist in a game? There is a word for people like you, its called being a hypocrite. At least I played both games.

At 10:57 PM, Blogger Anonymous said...

Dxoh, I've played both too, I had/have a level 75 Tarutaru Whitemage named Makiri on Diabolos server, though I stopped playing her. And just because WoW is over all a more fun and enjoyable game to the masses doesn't mean FFXI is an awful game. It's just statically not better than WoW. WoW isn't all that easy either, it still takes a good deal of time unless you're a hardcore player. It's just faster. Just because something is at a faster pace doesn't make it easy. Plus there are so many things that are extremely hard to do and take time. Ever try to get the purple tiger in winterspring? that takes months and months to do. It's not easier, its just faster in some aspects of the game. It still takes time and is still challenging. It's the top MMO out there right now and has been ever sense it came out. Doesn't mean ffxi is horrible, its just not as good to the majority of people who play mmos, or even videogames for that matter.

At 11:01 PM, Blogger Dxoh said...

Two words:

Target demographic

At 12:33 AM, Blogger Gero said...

wow and here i was thinking people here were cool, you like ff great you like wow thats cool you enjoy both even better get over the whole one is better than the other, different people different styles.

still waiting for dave's all up summary of whether he enjoyed it more than he thought he would.
and possibly waiting for him to go out and buy a game card.

At 12:49 AM, Blogger Kenny said...

Dxoh, you're incorrect, FFXI currently has four expansions, not three (Rise of the Zilart, Chains of Promathia, Treasures of Aht Urhgan, and Wings of the Goddess) and has at least three more on the way. I couldn't get into WoW for the first 15 levels. I'm not going to bore myself for another 65 just to experience the "real game."

I'd also like to point out, anyone who says that you can't do anything by yourself in FFXi past level 10, obviously hasn't tried hard enough. If you know what you're doing, it's pretty easy to solo past level 10.

Since I'm on the point of soloing, has anyone even played any other Final Fantasy games? There's a reason why most things in the game require multiple people. Final Fantasy XI takes after the ten preceding it by having a party of multiple people. Sure, you could solo shit in FFVI after you get the airship, but do you really need to?

At 2:37 AM, Blogger Codexx said...

Technically, you can report them on RP servers. The exception being if everyone consents to discussing real life.

Which is a nice bonus, I guess, being able to report retards and see them get consequences for not using proper sentence structure, until you realize that all the delusional Furries are being protected by it, and they're just a retarded as everyone else.

Also, I take it you didn't stop by the Goldshire inn? For some reason, people take "Roleplaying" as "go do things you can't do in life". Except they also amend this. Now it becomes "Do things you can't or are scared to do in Real get laid".

At 6:30 AM, Blogger Alex said...

Next week, Guild Wars.
I'd love to see your reaction to that :D

At 6:41 AM, Blogger Alasia said...

You know, I've been reading this for a week (not the blog.. the argument that's running in the comments) and I say y'all need to get a life.

FFXI and WoW are very different games. Neither one is for everyone. Yet they have elements of sameness. Got it.

WoW is easier to play and has been since it's arrival in the world of MMO's. Ok. Got that too.

FFXI has more challenge. Got that too. Though it seems to depend on what your idea of a challenge is, what your lifestyle gives you the opportunity to do, etc and so on.

I play both games. I love both games. When I want a fairly simple no-brain game to run on... yeah, it's WoW. When I'm ok with spending half a day finding a group... or farming mats... or.. then Yeah, it's FFXI.

My irritation here... is this.

Just because YOU choose not to play the game, doesn't make it 'ok' to ridicule those that do. WoW used to be an awesome game, including major High-end content that required the same time of player participation that FFXI groups/raids do. That was Vanilla WoW.

Then they brought in the 25mans for those that couldn't seem to find 40 people to all show up and work together at the same time. That was BC.

Lich King... they dumbed it down some more. As of right now, there isn't a bit of 25man content that you cannot PUG. /wrist.

I'm honestly hoping they decide to fix this. I mean. Really really really hoping. The main reason I have for staying in WoW at this time is the sheer number of friends I've made over the years.

If you create a toon today.. leveling... is the pits. 90% solo, grab a group for an instance if you actually get the opportunity. FFXI is similar... or was. Level Sync changed that massively, granted.

The /reason/ the game begins at end game today.. is the lack of group available prior to end game. Unless you have a level 80 friend to power you through an instance every so often... good luck with getting there.

Fail on Blizzard's behalf. Even so.. This 36 year old mother of two teenagers still plays. For the social aspect. Can you imagine??? in an MMO?

At 7:06 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

The /reason/ the game begins at end game today.. is the lack of group available prior to end game.

Alasia, you know what gets me?

that so-called "end game" keeps changing -- each expansion has made the older stuff irrelevant (if only blizz would REQUIRE one to run through the older endgame stuff before you could unlock the new...). Because a lot of WoW players keep obsessing over the so-called "end-game", they never get to see the whole of the content. That's what's destroying WoW, to my mind -- the focus on endgame.

Though actually, I'm kind of glad that they made some of the Lich King raids more PUG-gable. One of the issues many smaller guilds had with BC was finding people to do the raids, especially heals & tanks which are in short supply on my server.

I only got to see Onyxia (the original badass dragon) recently; I've never seen Hyjal, or AQ, or any of the "old" endgame content, because of the obsession with "new" endgame content. Even at 80, those old endgames are tough fights if you don't have at least four or five people with you.

At 7:17 AM, Blogger Eric said...

The newest content is far too easy, hopefully the next expac will be better. The entire "starts at endgame" used to be true with content which was a challenge. Hyjal, Black Temple and Sunwell. Now it's just a get to 80 and wait for ulduar.

But saying WoW is easier obviously came from people who never did the end game in BC.

After server first Kalc, wiping on muru for months on end and finally getting kil'jaeden after all that was indeed effing satisfying.

I won't bash FFXI, I haven't played it. But please don't do the same thing to WoW or take the comments of some retards either (anon).

I will say one thing though, after watching my friend play on FFXI, the graphics on WoW are substantially better.

I too hope Dave does a complete write up of his experience with WoW.

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At 8:26 AM, Blogger Anonymous said...

"Two words:

Target demographic"

Dxoh? You're point? If something is targeted to the masses so that a large some of people play and enjoy it, that's a bad thing? (Or did you mean FFXI is only targeted to a select group? Either way you're incorrect.) Isn't the Final Fantasy series just like Warcraft? I've never met a gamer in my entire life that hasn't played or at least heard of Final Fantasy. Same goes for the Warcraft series. They both were targeted for mass amounts of people, and mass amounts of people have played both. The only difference between the too is (as goes for the MMO's) is that Blizzard did a better job to appeal to the masses than Square did. There for WoW is a much more successful MMO. Though you can't say that Final Fantasy wasn't attempting to do the exact same thing with their MMO. Of course they were, its Final Fantasy "XI" the 11th one. Their series had to appeal to the masses or they wouldn't have ever even tried to make an MMO to begin with. And low and behold, Blizzard did a better overall job with their franchise, which is why much more people play WoW then they do FFXI.

At 8:33 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

After reading your whole time in the WOW world and reading people's comments I have come to a conclusion about WOW.

Half of the game apparently sucks really bad. Actually more than half of it.

I mean even WOW players said it isn't good till the end. I mean wtf is the point in playing if most of it sucks.

At 9:05 AM, Blogger Anonymous said...

Master. Most of it doesn't suck, WoW players never said that most of it sucks. Actually there is a lot to do while leveling in WoW. What we mean by "the (real) game doesn't start until you reach cap", means that at cap you're able to do things, obtain things, take part in things, that you couldn't do while leveling. That doesn't mean leveling isn't fun. I had an absolute blast leveling my WoW character, it was great, I could do pvp even at a low level, I ran instances and got better gear, I bought pets, I joined guilds, I did world events and took part in holidays and the dark moon faire, I explored new areas and got rewards and levels for doing quests. I got new abilities as I grew in levels and used them against mobs and other players, defeating them and getting good at playing my character. Though everything that is fun at first doesn't compare to the amount of fun you have when you get to level cap. So that is what we mean by "The real game starts at cap/end game." Not that the rest isn't fun, its just isn't "as" fun as the content that comes later on. Do you understand now?

At 12:16 PM, Blogger Nummies said...

This is not to make fun of WoW.

even if it looks like it.

this is for Saifer.

*hrmm* Graphics? WoW > FFXI??

WoW's Onyxia:

FFXI's famous Jormy:

At 3:32 PM, Blogger Sean Hughes said...

The whole "WoW has more players, so it's obviously better" argument(Hell, it is even an argument? I'm not sure it qualifies as one) is retarded. AOL has a huge amount of users, but does that make them better then any other ISP? What about the large amount of Wal-Mart stores, and all the people that shop there? Does that make Wal-Mart better then any other store in existence?

At 3:32 PM, Blogger Ben Yuscavage said...

Hello 5000000 posts. I swear WoW may have become the thing that gets Dave more comments...

I'd love to tell you which game is better, but this really is getting a bit old. They're both decent, I've played both, they're still games. You truly never waste anything playing either because you get entertainment. I find that to be a win. Harass anyone on this subject, but I find that its really huge opinions (and really long essays) that really don't help either game. I play FFXI because more friends and more interest because I like the rest of the series. Wow was interesting but my brother never liked it as much and didn't like it.

At 4:23 PM, Blogger Anonymous said...

Sean that's not a proper comparison. Wal-Mart gets more business because with the economy as it is in the United States people need to buy things at lower prices. So more people shop there. Plus it can only be compared to other stores like it. And Stores like it with higher prices are going out of business or suffering because people need to save every penny unless they're upper middle class +. Though you can't compare Wal-Mart to the number of players choosing to play one video game over another they're not the same thing. Just as you can't compare Wal-Mart to a Salon or Nails store. They don't do the same business so you can't compare them just by the fact that they're "stores" to decide which is better or not. Wal-Mart sells cheap versions of everything pretty much, and just because they might have products for hair or clothes doesn't mean you can compare the store at a whole to being better than specialty shops that sell higher quality goods. And with Aol. It honestly doesn't have customers that know that there is something better. I know so many people that are not and never will be anything close to tech savvy. And those people usually fall into the older age groups. They don't know better so they use AOL. On the other hand, people that play MMO's "Gamers" are very much technology friendly. They play a number of videogames and they know what they like when they play it. In this case, the majority of people who enjoy and play MMO's choose WoW. That's why its the highest played and sold MMO at this current time. When something that appeals in a greater way comes out which it will enviably with time people will quit WoW and begin to play that game. It's just how it works. Though nothing has been able to kill WoW yet. Warhammer came out and claimed to be A WoW killer, so did Age of Conan, but low and behold, even though both games and FFXI, Liniage 2 and another number of MMO's out there, some which are free like Flyff, Maple Story, Rapplez etc. Have not been able to gather a higher amount of players or even come close to WoW. Also on a side note, Blizzard is in the progress of making higher res graphic settings for people who's computers can handle it. They just released a 3d mode that comes with 3d glasses. Look it up if you don't believe me.

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At 5:54 PM, Blogger Sean Hughes said...

So let me get this straight. Wal-Mart and a beauty salon can not be compared because they sell different products, but WoW and FFXI can be compared because they sell different products?

Just because they're both online games doesn't make them the same. Would you compare Chess with Civilization? They're both strategy games, yet they are very different. More people play Chess around the world, but that doesn't make it better then Civilization does it? Does the fact that there are different graphics for Chess, some much better then others(Heck, some in 3-D!) does that make it better then Civilization?

At 7:15 PM, Blogger Yekyaa said...

I want my last 15 minutes back for having read the last 54 comments of WoW vs FFXI.

At 7:35 PM, Blogger Dxoh said...

Agreed. I want my time back too. For writing the comments too. People don't seem to like debating logic with logic. Eh, no one cares if I convince them or not. They'll stick stubbornly to their lots, for better or, more likely, worse...

At 8:28 PM, Blogger Sean Hughes said...

"If you make an argument on the internet that is lacking in any way, it will be picked apart, piece by piece, until every flaw in existence has been discovered in it. If you make an argument that is logical, well-thought out and flawless, it will promptly be ignored."

I don't know who said the above quote, but I don't think it could apply any more then in this situation.

At 10:22 PM, Blogger Cake said...

No more post ? Oh my god, [GM]Dave can't stop playing WoW, he's lost !

Just kidding.

At 9:09 AM, Blogger Nummies said...

wtf? just because you put 3d graphics on something and up the res doesn't change the LOOK OF THE GAME. Its not suddenly going to become awesome looking going from 800 x 600 to 1072 x 1210 or whatever. Change the res all you want, all that is is the amount of pixels.

Can't change the whole damn look of your square headed people.

At 3:08 PM, Blogger Anonymous said...

No Nummies, Blizzard said that they are making the graphics better for people who's computers can handle it, and all they have to do to do that is re-render the 3 models with a higher number of polygons, its how 3d modeling works, they didn't really create the characters originally to be square and have jagged edges, all they did was lower the amount of polygons in the 3d models so that people with horrible video cards and memory could still play the game, Square could easily do the same thing so that more people could play, but they haven't/don't. Also they're working on a new MMO. Galaxies of Starcraft? I sure hope so! =)

At 6:42 PM, Blogger Kulaudo said...

People really love to argue, but really, it's not that hard to see why more people play WoW.
I play both games and I can tell the major difference between when I play WoW vs FFXI:
The number of people I need to play.
WoW you can play from 1-80 alone. Obviously if you want to raid you need a group.
With FFXI you can level from 1-10 with any job, and maybe higher depending on job/skill/etc.
WoW isn't necessarily easier than FFXI, but finding a group is never that easy, in either game.
But there's no point in arguing which game is better. You like one game, you like the other, or you like both. There's certain things unique to each, and similar to both, you either love or hate them.

At 9:30 AM, Blogger Salt said...

I do occasionally think of trying FFXI.

But everywhere I read that it is impossible to do anything solo past level 10.

When I saw some video of a puppet master solo leveling by kiting and is near the blink of death the entire fight, the first thought that came to mind was
"OMG. You have got to be kidding me."

Sometimes I just don't feel like grouping - maybe I had a lousy day and don't feel like deal with people who may or may not be a bunch of morons.

Graphics wise... I'm going to blunt here.
I really don't see that large a gap if any between the 2.

They were both release in at around the same time period, hence are at the about the same technology level.

From what I can tell from videos and the FFXI tech demo, is that FFXI has a longer draw distance, but at the same time the local surrounding appear rather sparsely populated.
WoW is the opposite, although they have increase the max draw distance since 3.x.x.

WoW also has next to no zoning, you only zone when you ride on ships that go from one continent to another, when you hearth to an inn or when you enter an instance.

At 11:27 AM, Blogger Anonymous said...

Salt, agreed. I played FFXI for 3 years, and once I went to WoW I just couldn't give up all of the extra features WoW has to offer. How free you are to level in many different ways, the PvP, the instances, mounts, professions... The fact that the game doesn't lag when you're around a lot of people doing an event or in a Main city. I remember Jeuno in FFXI, people didn't even load correctly at the Auction house, and Garrison? Oh god... that was awful. You couldn't even tell wtf was going on half of the time the lag was so terrible. And it was server based lag, so no matter what system you were playing on, Ps2, Xbox 360, or even a top notch PC, that game lagged to all hell when there were more than around 10 people near you. I just couldn't go back, and I tried a couple times, but FFXI just doesn't compare overall to WoW. I do have to say though, I miss "/propose" I loved making polls in /sh in the main cities. =P

At 9:48 PM, Blogger Mike Reese said...

There is good roleplaying in WoW... just have to look for it:

At 2:36 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

OMG if one more person says not to worry bout anything til end game content i'm gonna scream. Seriously people? What the hell is the point of a game, where the entire point is just the stuff at the end. If i've gotta troll out weeks of my time just to get to the fun part of the freeking game thats completely retarded. So no Dave, despite what these dipwads say, the game doesnt "start at 80". Sure you get access to a lot of things you didnt have yet, but with good friends you can do things that are just as fun at lower levels. The problem is FINDING those people as most people are so obsessed about being uber they will shank you in the back for a chance at that rare item that just dropped. I lucked out and found some really great people. I started on a RP server cause thats why i play these games and while i was sorely disappointed with the rp i did find (we have one of "those" goldshires...ick) it still relieved a lot of the pressure to be what everyone expected.

At 6:26 AM, Blogger Beltayn said...

So I'm a WoW player... and I found your blog. I was kind of interested with your take on WoW.

I did however start to notice that the stuff you were saying sounded very much like the spittle flecked rants I have with my friends after playing the game for too long. The Fisher-Price and bubble-wrap approach of the game. Everything is handed to you on a platter (more so lately).

The astoundingly moronic playerbase. The AOL speak.

I play on an RP server, and yeah, I felt like I could have written this article. Just with more profanity and spittle on the screen.

If you are finding these things new and unique to WoW, then it means they don't exist or aren't as common in the MMO that you play...

So... I'll behave and promise to use full sentences. Just please don't feed me to anything.

At 7:47 AM, Blogger Gyl said...

I am a wow player resides at Cenarion Circle(RP Server), I really hope Blizzard to ban those lolrp actions of many retards.


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